what tires?

[Cyclon36]

Hey guys,

I'm seriously thinking about getting new tires for track day, especially if we're going on a drive the day after. Plus I'll probably make a run before just to map things out. Anyway, I didn't want to be a the end of my tire life for the track b/c I want to have fun without worrying about sliding or losing a tire. I've narrowed my choices down to these four:

Potenza S-03 Pole Position:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_s03_s.jpg
Price: $166 Front
Price: $214 Rear
UTQG: 220 AA A

Potenza RE050:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_potenza_re050_ci2_s.jpg
Price: $166 Front
Price: $259 Rear
UTQG: 140 A A

Kumho MX:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/kumho/ku_ecsta_mx_ci2_s.jpg
Price: $119 Front
Price: $135 Rear
UTQG: 220 AA A

Michelin Pilot Sport:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/michelin/mi_pilot_sport_s.jpg
Price: $181 Front
Price: $198 Rear
UTQG: 220 AA A


Money is of course an issue b/c I've been kinda broke lately. I also don't want to replace them every 2k miles, but I want to be competitive at the track and on the street. The RE050's have the best tread wear, but they are only a single "A" when it comes to traction. The rest appear to be identical, but I'm not sure. What do you guys think?

[WebGod]

SO-3

[dp]

if money is an issue...kumho...

[Cyclon36]

How do the Kumho's compare to the S-03's? Also, how does the tread life compare to the RE050's? I like my RE050's now, but I hate the price, but if they last twice as long as the others then I guess they're worth it.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

I think I am going to try the goodyear Eagle F-1. they are $183 ea. installed for the rears and $157 ea. installed for the fronts. Anybody heard anything good or bad about them?


EAGLE F1 GS D3 (http://www.kauffmantire.com/tireswheels.c/index.html#)http://www.kauffmantire.com/images/groups/f1gs3.jpg

UTQG: Tread Wear 280, Traction AA, Temp A

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

does anyone know where I can get a refill on smoke for my existing tires? I am running low..

[kodos]

Not me. The track can be pretty rough on tires. My fronts are chewed up after Roebling and I'm going finish them off at Talladega. I'm going to have alot of understeer but I just can't see putting track wear on brand new tires.

[dp]

does tracking eat up that much rubber?? -i lilke the treadwear on that f1...that should last at least 25,000miles moderate driving!!

[Cyclon36]

does tracking eat up that much rubber?? -i lilke the treadwear on that f1...that should last at least 25,000miles moderate driving!!Not with a 280 treadwear. I'd imagine you're looking close to 12k miles. I've got 14k on my RE050's and I haven't been too bad on them and those are 140. Mostly interstate miles and they're nearing the end. Maybe they will last out till track day.

I'm kinda hesitant about getting new ones also John. I guess I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Maybe I can get some of you tire experts to check my tread next time we meet up.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

here is a test of some of the tires talked about above.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/mi_ps2_nextGen.jsp

[s2kjones]

I've been running Kuhmo MX's for a little over a year now. I've been very happy with them, and they are cheap too. They do very well at the track, but if you run them hard, they will wear out fast.

[s2kjones]

does anyone know where I can get a refill on smoke for my existing tires? I am running low..
I like tire smoke :goodjob:

[tmelch]

How do the Kumho's compare to the S-03's? Also, how does the tread life compare to the RE050's? I like my RE050's now, but I hate the price, but if they last twice as long as the others then I guess they're worth it.I love my SO3s, but may try Kumhos next time as I understand they're a bit stickier. I'm looking for more traction on 16" wheels. You've got bigger wheels and can run wider tires. If money is a question get the Kumho MXs like DJ says.

RE050's treadwear rating is less than S03's (140 vs. 220), so S03's should last longer. I think you got the treadwear rating thing backwards: a higher rating means more treadlife. Got this from Tire Rack: For example, a tire grade of 150 wears 1.5 times as long as a tire graded 100.

I estimate I'm getting 8-12,000 miles on mine but haven't been through an entire set as I've had my S less than a year. Will probably be on the lower end of that if I do lots of Xcross, track days and drives, but it is certainly worth it!

Didn't you say something about some new tires that are really really sticky. Think you said something about Sears. What kind were those??

[Cyclon36]

Didn't you say something about some new tires that are really really sticky. Think you said something about Sears. What kind were those??First, I did have my figures backwards on the treadwear, thanks for clearing that up.

About the tires though, you're right! I completely forgot about Sears. Actually, they just came out with the newest tire for the S. Now, get ready for this, the Guardsman III. These things are pure glue plus they last like 100k miles. I have to opt for the 13" BBS wheels though and the price is a bit steep, but you can't have everything.

http://content.sears.com/data/product_images/095/60840/09560840000-mv.jpg (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000&bidsite=&BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0) http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gifGuardsman Guardsman III - P155/80R13 (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@ @@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0&vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000)
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif
Sears item #09560840000
Mfr. model #112-712 http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif$19.98
Exceptional value (http://javascript<b></b>:void(null);)</FONT>
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gifAvailable in Sears Auto Centers only. Learn more. (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@ @@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0&vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000&tab=del)
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif

http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif Guardsman

[s2kjones]

I have to opt for the 13" BBS wheels though and the price is a bit steep, but you can't have everything.

http://content.sears.com/data/product_images/095/60840/09560840000-mv.jpg (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000&bidsite=&BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0) http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gifGuardsman Guardsman III - P155/80R13 (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@ @@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0&vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000)
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif
Sears item #09560840000
Mfr. model #112-712 http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif$19.98
Exceptional value (http://javascript<b></b>:void(null);)</FONT>
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gifAvailable in Sears Auto Centers only. Learn more. (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0099807165.1096513367@ @@@&BV_EngineID=ccgladcmjgejgfdcehgcemgdffmdggk.0&vertical=AUTO&pid=09560840000&tab=del)
http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif

http://www.sears.com/images/layout/pixel.gif Guardsman
Now that's a great tire. Make sure to get the optional white walls :goodjob:

[F8d2Blk]

Now that's a great tire. Make sure to get the optional white walls :goodjob:
White walls and white letters.:goodjob:

[tmelch]

White walls and white letters.:goodjob:
You can mount them to the inside on drives, to the outside for daily commute! :rolf:

[S2k Dude]

UTQG: Tread Wear 280, Traction AA, Temp A

Seriously though, if you have OEM S02's and are wanting to save some money but not loose ultimate dry traction I wouln't recommend a tire that has a Tread Wear rating of 280. If your just wanting a tire that should last longer, don't care about giving up some dry traction and is about the same price as an OEM S02 you could choose the F1. The F1 will probably do a bit better in the rain as well, not that an OEM S02 is all that bad in the rain but with those huge grooves in the F1 tread pattern the tire should be less likely to hydroplane.

BTW, the tread pattern has less to do with dry traction and more to do with how much noise and wet traction you get. The dry traction is determined more so by the compound, a tire with a treadwear rating of 140 should easily outperform a tire with a treadwear rating of 280.

I've known too many people that buy a tire like that because of the high treadwear rating but end up hating the tire due to low dry traction and they can't wait to get them off the car and go back to the OEM S02's.

[tmelch]

I get SO3s installed for $350 a pair at Tires Plus. Really good traction, great treadwear, and a name you can be proud of!! Tires Plus said club members could get the same price. PM me if interested.

<---Even put them on my avatar car!

[Cyclon36]

The dry traction is determined more so by the compound, a tire with a treadwear rating of 140 should easily outperform a tire with a treadwear rating of 280.Ok, questioin here. The RE050's (which I have now) have a treadwear of 140 (the lowest of the group), so I would assume because of your statement that they have the highest grip on the road. However, on the traction rating, they are only single "A" instead of "AA" meaning that the other tires have a higher traction rating. Tire Rack says the double "A" only came out with newer tire models, but I'd imagine that the RE050's are just as old or newer than the S-03's. What do you guys make of that?

[s2kjones]

Ok, questioin here. The RE050's (which I have now) have a treadwear of 140 (the lowest of the group), so I would assume because of your statement that they have the highest grip on the road. However, on the traction rating, they are only single "A" instead of "AA" meaning that the other tires have a higher traction rating. Tire Rack says the double "A" only came out with newer tire models, but I'd imagine that the RE050's are just as old or newer than the S-03's. What do you guys make of that?
...thank you!





My head hurts now

[s2kjones]

You can talk about spec all day and not get anywhere. You will never know until the tires are on your car, to find out how good they are, or how bad they suck.

If they suck, then you just burn through them fast and get something else. ...or you could give them to me, and i'll do that. :D

[S2k Dude]

Ok, questioin here. The RE050's (which I have now) have a treadwear of 140 (the lowest of the group), so I would assume because of your statement that they have the highest grip on the road. However, on the traction rating, they are only single "A" instead of "AA" meaning that the other tires have a higher traction rating. Tire Rack says the double "A" only came out with newer tire models, but I'd imagine that the RE050's are just as old or newer than the S-03's. What do you guys make of that?Simple answer from the Tire Rack website:
Traction

Straight-a-head wet braking traction has been represented by a grade of A, B, or C with A being the highest. In 1997 a new top rating of "AA" has been introduced to indicate even greater wet braking traction. However, due to its newness, this grade will probably be applied initially to new tire lines as they are introduced and later to existing lines which excel in wet braking, but had been limited to the previous top grade of "A". Traction grades do not indicate wet cornering ability.

So, according to the above statement, the "A" or "AA" is not a dry traction rating, but simply a measure of wet braking performance which, like I said before, is more dependent on the tread design than anything else. The OEM S02's have a rating of "A", same as the RE050's so according to the spec, they have should have similar wet braking performance while the Goodyear F1 may have better wet braking performance.

I wonder how much of a real difference there is between "A" and "AA", it would be nice to see some test numbers.

[ToniG]

boy, that's alot of reading........

[Cyclon36]

Thanks for the input guys. Sorry for the headache david. I think If I ended up with something that I had to burn through, I'd have to sell a kidney to get another set of tires. Anyway, such is life. My stocks ($$) are blazing on the other hand. Maybe I should start looking at superchargers! :D

[WebGod]

I'd have to sell a kidney to get another set of tires.I feel ya on this one. I'm about to buy my 5th set of rear tires....

[s2kjones]

eh, tires come and tires go. It's a fact of having a car like this.

I've always been able to adjust my driving to what ever crap tire I put on the car. I go through them way to fast to spend the $$

[modifry]

Here's a good one, from the "tire experts" at GoodYear and NTB. This was yesterday, and is pretty much a word-for-word account.

I'm in Charlotte and notice when I go out to my car at 4PM to run an errand that the front right is VERY low on air. Like 15psi. It was fine when I left ATL 10 hours before, so I must have picked up a nail on the way.

So I go to GoodYear down the street to get it fixed. All 6 bays are empty, closing time is posted as 6PM, 2 hours away.
Me - "Hey, If I make it back here between 4:30 and 5:00 can you fix my flat before you close?"
Mr. GoodYear - "Nope, not enough time today, you'll have to leave it overnight."
I'm thinking - Yea, right, I'll leave it overnight if you've got more than 8 teeth in your head. (I do a quick count, only need one hand, so NO, no overnighter for my S).
Me - No, I'm leaving town tonight, can I get some air though?
Mr. GoodYear - I wouldn't do that if I were you, you're asking for trouble. You better leave it with me.
Me - I really need to leave tonight, I'll just check it every few miles, it will be OK, it took 10 hours to get this low.
Mr. GoodYear - Suit yourself.

I put air in it and leave him a sample of Bridgestone rubber for his time.

So I cuise over to NTB and find they're happy to fix my tire for $20 right now while I wait. Cool. It only takes the guy 4 minutes to figure out how to start the car, not too bad really.

While I'm waiting a MB S-600 pulls in and 4 guys pile out of it. The owner wants a quote on 4 new tires, which Mr. NTB is glad to give.

NTB - "That'll be $396 for the rears and $320 for the fronts."
S-600 Owner - "$400 for two rear tires? Are you kidding?"
NTB - Actually that's each. $396 for each rear tire, $320 for each front tire.
S-600 Owner - Why are they so expensive, and how come the fronts are cheaper?
NTB - Well, it's not like they're going on a cheap car is it? And the rears cost more because theyr'e a different size. The rears are 275/40-17 and the fronts are 245/45-17.
S-600 Owner- Damn! Just because you buy a nice ride they got to screw you on the tires, huh? Can you put the front tires on the back? Why do they have to be different on the back? And then I could rotate them too, couldn't I?
NTB - Well, I can't recommend that, but only because Mercedes won't recommend it. But if you request it, I can do it, because we always do what the customer wants. There's really no reason why you can't put the same tire all around. I mean, the rears are 30mm wider than the fronts, that's like only 1/8" difference, you'll never notice it.

Here's what I'm thinking - A 275 tire really is 30mm wider than a 245, but that's more like 1 1/4" wider, not 1/8". On top of that, the wheels are certainly wider on the back too, so the front tires won't ride or handle the same if mounted on a too-wide wheel. That doesn't even account for the traction difference when he loses tire width on the rear, which will make the car over-steer, possibly to a dangerous degree.


S-600 Owner - Really? Then why would they even bother making a different tire?
NTB - Beats me, Mercedes does some stupid things sometimes, just so they can charge more.
S-600 Owner - Damn! Let me think about this a minute.

Mr. S-600 Owner then goes out to the parking lot to confer with his posse, and they start fumbling with their wallets like they're about to start shootin' craps. I'm assuming none of them has a functioning credit card because theyr'e counting cash in piles on the parking lot.

Just then Mr. Tire Fixer is done with my car, so I pay my money and head out. While I'm climbing in my car Mr. S-600 Owner comes over and asks "Damn, that's a nice ride, what is that?"
Me - It's a Honda S2000
S-600 Owner - How much the tires for it?
Me - About $600 for all 4.
S-600 Owner - Sheeet! I shoulda got one of those. Hey Marvin, whaddya think about this car?
Marvin - That's sweet, you an' me would fit right in there, but not much else.
S-600 Owner - Oh, that's right, only two seats. Damn!
Me - See ya!
S-600 Owner - I still like that car.

.

[s2kjones]

I put air in it and leave him a sample of Bridgestone rubber for his time

:goodjob: Great story btw :rolf: :rolf:

[suzukasue]

Good story Bob!
Just an FYI too - the Kuhmo's (when brand new) are slick until you get about 400 miles on them. Be careful if you get new ones put on your car before the track/drive/whatever!

[WebGod]

Nice story Bob.

[Aaron]

funny -- those evil Mercedes guys were sticking him for more $$

[S2k Dude]

MB Owner: Gettin' jiggy whit it...

LOL Bob, good story.

[spider2k]

what sizes are you looking for?

dunno who else here works in the same biz but i work at a shop that sells tires maybe i can get you a good price. i at least know that i can get a deal on the mount/balance (its called doing it on my off day :) )

im just trying to find some dang wheels for my s that arent a fortune! anyone know what a set of volk ce28n's normally go for in a 17"?

[Dewain27]

hmmmm I wonder..... I would guess about $1,500.00 w/o tires...

[spider2k]

i called one of the wholesellers today and "my cost" is 360 apiece for 17x7 and 17x8. seemed a bit high to me.

gonna terrorize american racing tomorrow about a set of roja formula 5's to see if they offer me a better deal.

[s2kjones]

I had the roja's on my car. I loved those wheels. 18X8 in the front, and 18X9 in the rear.

Being that they were 18's...it was going to cost me a ****load in tires.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Stopped by Goodyear on Roswell road in Buckhead and asked about the F-1's. The guy working there had a S himself. He said that he put them on before a Road Atlanta run and couldn't stand them. The deep tread pattern gave the car to much lateral (side to side) movement. He said he did not like the dry handling of the tire. He put SO-3's back on. He said the only two tires worth putting on a S are the SO-3's or Michelin Pilot Sports.

[F8d2Blk]

Great story Bob. I would normally trust NTB over most places for tires.:D

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

After all the reasearch and testing I have done I think I am going to stick with the SO-3's. WebGod- No I told you so's OK. Here is why. between the two Michelin and SO-3 I like the so-3 better. all the micheline's I have owned howeled like scalded dogs when thrashed. I just did a couple of donuts in the parking deck with the SO-3's and not a peep from the tires, just the engine singing away. So my results are less noise means less attention from the coppers when spinning the tires. Sticky and quiet gets my money

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

as opposed to slippery and noisy:D

[s2kjones]

So my results are less noise means less attention from the coppers when spinning the tires. Sticky and quiet gets my money
It's not the noise that gets me in trouble...it's the smoke

[tmelch]

After all the reasearch and testing I have done I think I am going to stick with the SO-3's.
SO3's are da bomb. Did you call Tires Plus??

[s2 kwkslvr]

I just ordered a set of oem's (050s)for my car.Butler tires is da bomb.I got the best deal from them.I will get them in a week or so when I have time.Also ordered a set of new tires for the Odyssey.I really like dealing with Craig and his staff.

[s2 kwkslvr]

Jesse,

As soon as I get new feet , lets get together.

[Johnyboy]

S-600 Owner- Damn! Just because you buy a nice ride they got to screw you on the tires, huh? .
Hmmm...if you buy a car that costs $100K +, why would a few hundred bucks for tire phase you?

[WebGod]

Jesse,

As soon as I get new feet , lets get together.Roger.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Called Tires Plus on the SO-3'sl which they corrected me. They referred to them as Tom tires not SO-3's. This is because Tom is always coming in and buying them up. I now have to wait until they get more in because "Tom" has the last 2 reserved for Thursday. Tires Plus also raised the price on the rears to $380 a set. I think I am going to try the Eagle F-1's I found a great price on the rears $350 installed and $300 fronts installed. Kaufmann said they would give me a 30 day full replacement gurantee if I don't like them.

[s2kjones]

Called Tires Plus on the SO-3'sl which they corrected me. They referred to them as Tom tires not SO-3's. This is because Tom is always coming in and buying them up. I now have to wait until they get more in because "Tom" has the last 2 reserved for Thursday. Tires Plus also raised the price on the rears to $380 a set. I think I am going to try the Eagle F-1's I found a great price on the rears $350 installed and $300 fronts installed. Kaufmann said they would give me a 30 day full replacement gurantee if I don't like them.
That's pretty bad when you get tires named after you

[Aaron]

i'm still liking my falkens (even though i should have gotten a little wider in the rear)
break away and recovery is very smooth

[spider2k]

dont shoot me but i happened to be goofing off the other day and found the stock size eagle F1s at walmart for 152 each for the rear and 135 each for the front. seems cheap to me plus i can mount/balance them at work myself.(this price is cheaper than what my wholeseller offers btw)


anyone prefer these over the bridgestones? why? why not?

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

I am going to try the F-1's. The guy at Kauffman Tire said he has serviced a GS300 with F1's on it (same size as rear S's) and that guy loves them. And they last longer. He said the GS300 owner drives like a Ass %0le and he is getting just over 20k on a set.

If the ones you found at wall mart are Eagle F-1 GTS3's that a good price if you can put them on yourselves. Kauffman's price is really close to that. $350 rears installed and $300 fronts . So they are about the same before mounting, balancing, and road hazzerd waranty.

[s2kjones]

worse case.... you could sell them to me if you decide you don't like them :D

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Actually they said they would give me 30 days full replacement If I didn't like them.

[s2kjones]

Actually they said they would give me 30 days full replacement If I didn't like them.
That's a great deal. I could do a lot of damage in 30 days

[Aaron]

That's a great deal. I could do a lot of damage in 30 daysyeah, I don't think they've thought that one out to well

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

got the F-1's installed yesterday on the rears. Haven't given them hell yet but they seem to stick a little better than the SO-3's. I haven't been able to get the back to come around as easy if at all so far. maybe cause they are new but so far they seem to stick better. I'll keep ya'll posted

[s2kjones]

got the F-1's installed yesterday on the rears. Haven't given them hell yet but they seem to stick a little better than the SO-3's. I haven't been able to get the back to come around as easy if at all so far. maybe cause they are new but so far they seem to stick better. I'll keep ya'll posted
What tire do you have on the front? I think I am one of the few people that doesn't mind running mixed tires front to rear

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

SO-3's on front. They still have a little more than half tread left so there was no reason to scrap them. when the fronts go I will replace with F-1's if I still like them by then.

[s2kjones]

SO-3's on front. They still have a little more than half tread left so there was no reason to scrap them. when the fronts go I will replace with F-1's if I still like them by then.
If you find that the car pushes, you can allways adjust tire pressure to balance it out

[S2000]

I only like Bridgestones(stock)/ falkens because i get all 4 for like $285 or less. and i mount/balance them by myself.

[S2000]

and The S-02(Bridgestone's??) seems like they are too soft, so i keep using falcons and my worst mistake was putting dunlops on my rear...it shakes like crazy....

[Aaron]

I only like Bridgestones(stock)/ falkens because i get all 4 for like $285 or less. and i mount/balance them by myself.:confused: what model Bridgestones & Falkens can you get 4 for $285??

[S2000]

The stock bridgestones (ithink s-02s?) and falken ze512?? i believe..
bridgestones i bought $64 front $74 rear....
falkens slightly cheaper like $3-4 each

[S2000]

and the Dunlops were like $110/each and i hated it!!!

[Aaron]

I'm coming to you for tires next time -- just bought Falken FK-451 all around & paid allot more

[s2kjones]

Yeah, I agree. Jason should be getting tires for all of us :goodjob:

[S2000]

sure....but one(person, not a tire) at a time plz. I am using my brother's wholesale account for my own goods hahaha or i can ask him to just charge you guys a flat fee or somethin for tires. just talked to the tire wholesalers and they have Falken specials now $59 for 205/55/16s

[S2000]

Yeah, I agree. Jason should be getting tires for all of us :goodjob:Well, they dont stock Square tires....(J/K).

[s2kjones]

Well, they dont stock Square tires....(J/K).
Ahahaha I think I may have to upgrade to octagons this time:laugh:

[S2000]

how much for your falken aaron?

[s2kjones]

sure....but one(person, not a tire) at a time plz. I am using my brother's wholesale account for my own goods hahaha or i can ask him to just charge you guys a flat fee or somethin for tires. just talked to the tire wholesalers and they have Falken specials now $59 for 205/55/16s
That's a damn good deal.

How much are the free tires?

[S2000]

That's a damn good deal.

How much are the free tires?ummmm...well.... the free tires should be $0.00 but there isn't any. talk to my bro he said will charge you around $10 per order(could be 1~4 tires) and you gotta pay taxes... found out they dont sell bridgestones any more...

[s2kjones]

ummmm...well.... the free tires should be $0.00 but there isn't any. talk to my bro he said will charge you around $10 per order(could be 1~4 tires) and you gotta pay taxes... found out they dont sell bridgestones any more...
That's still a great deal. Thanks Jason :goodjob:

[S2000]

That's still a great deal. Thanks Jason :goodjob:NO PROB GIVE ME A CALL ANYTIME.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

F-1's shaking on rear around 60 and up until they get warm. seems to be the drivers rear and not both, so I hope I only threw a weight or they didn't do a high speed balance. Either way they are getting re-balanced first thing in the a.m. I'll let you know if its the tire or the technician tomorrow.

[Johnyboy]

got the F-1's installed yesterday on the rears. Haven't given them hell yet but they seem to stick a little better than the SO-3's. I haven't been able to get the back to come around as easy if at all so far. maybe cause they are new but so far they seem to stick better. I'll keep ya'll posted
What size S03's did you have in the rear? I wouldn't think there would be that much difference.

[tmelch]

Getting a new set of SO3s on the rear today or tomorrow. Can't believe your going to get 20K on the F-1s. I got 6000 miles on my last set of SO3 rears which is a bit disapointing. What the heck. You play, you pay! :D

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

What size S03's did you have in the rear? I wouldn't think there would be that much difference.
The F-1's are the same size as the SO-3's that came off. Stock size.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Getting a new set of SO3s on the rear today or tomorrow. Can't believe your going to get 20K on the F-1s. I got 6000 miles on my last set of SO3 rears which is a bit disapointing. What the heck. You play, you pay! :D
The 20k came from the sales guy who said that's what they are getting on IS300's. Time will tell on getting 20k out of them. Who knows how quick a S is going to go through them.

[S2000]

already got 22k on my dunlop. its rear and i have like 5-6k more to go. dont like the ride though... too hard...

[S2k Dude]

You can double or triple the life of a set of tires if you can rotate them. A Lexus IS300 has the same size tires at all four corners, hence being able to get at least 20k out of a set of tires with a treadwear rating 140.

[S2000]

im rotating tires by remounting them... pain in the a$*

[Aaron]

how much for your falken aaron?$78 each front
$86 each rear
FK-451 on stock sizes
(size was a mistake, should have gotten little wider to compensate for tread patch of SO-2 but they're giving me good traction and breakaway is MUCH smoother)

[S2000]

not really bad... since Fk is normally $7-9 more expensive than ZE512. they look better where you buy them?

[Aaron]

not really bad... since Fk is normally $7-9 more expensive than ZE512. they look better where you buy them?discount tire off Peachtree Industrial

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Clutch issues are forcing me to scrap the long term testing of the F-1's. Going to baby the clutch to see how much longer I can make it last, so I just might get 20k out of the tires. Won't be real world results though. Sorry

I just know WG was waiting on pins and needles for the results :)

[S2000]

discount tire off Peachtree Industrialtheir tire prices are reasonable. i believe they order their stocks from the pals i get my tires from that means they are barely making $10 per tire....not bad~

[suzukasue]

You can double or triple the life of a set of tires if you can rotate them. A Lexus IS300 has the same size tires at all four corners, hence being able to get at least 20k out of a set of tires with a treadwear rating 140.
Good to know! Plus, I'm getting free tire rotations (and oil changes) for the first 20k miles on my IS....once I get it.....which is hopefully soon.........

[s2kjones]

Good to know! Plus, I'm getting free tire rotations (and oil changes) for the first 20k miles on my IS....once I get it.....which is hopefully soon.........:goodjob: